Mary Payne talks to reality TV and podcast producer, Aliza Rosen, about this week's RHONJ and RHOC. We have some real thoughts on Gina and Jenn's conversation in the coffee shop as well as Teresa and Gia chatting about "the lawsuit." We agree that RHONJ is pure darkness and RHOC is pure light!

Follow Aliza on Instagram: @ayr_media and follow her podcast: @queenofthecon

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