In this episode of the Conversations Podcast, Pastor Dru sits down with the esteemed Dr. AJ Swoboda, professor and prolific author of transformative books such as After Doubt and The Gift of Thorns and many more.

Together, they discuss the intricate theology of desire, exploring how our deepest longings can lead us closer to God. With heartfelt vulnerability, AJ shares personal stories and profound insights on why understanding and embracing our desires is key to our spiritual journey.

Whether you're wrestling with doubt, seeking intimacy, or navigating life's complexities, this episode offers a compassionate and thought-provoking perspective that encourages growth and healing.

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Get Aj Swoboda's new book The Gift of Thorns here: 
https://www.amazon.com/Gift-Thorns-Jesus-Flesh-Wants/dp/031015328X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2R26ZFB759K3X&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.oYtTTWsroh5d42YfnMhljmNGJeXZUHbJvviX6Lt6nuvGjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.rqD6vMJmruEEEWsHk-KfUevm2Ha8XOlijZlBXNwtHaQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+gift+of+thorns+by+a.+j.+swoboda&qid=1717819494&sprefix=gift+of+thorns%2Caps%2C163&sr=8-1

Subscribe to Aj Swoboda's Low-Level Theologian through his website or Substack Here: 
https://ajswoboda.com/
https://ajswoboda.substack.com/