Matt and Stak sit down this week with Dana and David Pump – the OG architects of youth basketball who've been spotting and developing generational talent before it hits the mainstream.

The Pump brothers pull back the curtain on their game-changing journey, dropping knowledge about their groundbreaking foundation and revealing untold stories of their deep connections with basketball royalty. From stories about Kobe Bryant to their game-changing relationships with industry titans like Sonny Vaccaro and power broker Arn Tellem, they break down the real evolution of AAU basketball with the kind of insider perspective you can't find anywhere else.

Packed with guest appearances from Chris Hetherington, Jeff Hamilton, Darrell Green, and Cassy Athena, this episode is a masterclass in basketball culture, entrepreneurship, and the untold stories behind the game's sports industry's most influential movers and shakersSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.