Brian interviews Brian Lee Crowley. Brian is the managing director of the MacDonald-Laurier Institute. They speak about his recent article: "Canada has devolved into a childish country incapable of solving big problems". His latest book is “Gardeners vs Designers: Understanding the Great Fault Line in Canadian Politics.” A provocative quote from his article: “In recent years, childishness has been the dominant fashion in Canada. We obsess about marginal issues that make us feel good, while nasty regimes around the world laugh at our moral pretentiousness and undermine the institutions we have so painstakingly created.”