Nick & Bob talk about lawyers they look up to, and what makes young criminal defense attorneys stand out from the rest.

"I think of it the best defense lawyers that I know and I hope we're in that echelon is it's like the will to win and the number one skill, in my opinion, of a criminal defense lawyer to get great outcomes is just to say, no, we're not taking that, we're not doing that. And we're going to keep going, keep fighting. We're going to keep we're not going to accept your mediocre offer. There's there's better out there."

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