In Episode 26 Dr. Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. Walter S. Gershon an Associate Professor of Critical Foundations of Education at Rowan University. Dr. Walter S. Gershon draws on curriculum, sensory and sound studies to share insights in relation to the COVID-19 Pandemic and systemic racisms. We discussed some of the following issues: accessibility to COVID-19 vaccinations, Sound Arts-Based Research (SABR), sonic theorizing, reverberations and resonances, confluences of being a musician and educational researcher, hearing and mishearing, Ridiculous White Institutions, policing normalcy, historical narrative wars, Franklin Bobbitt and legacy of Eugenics, everyday Afrosurreal experiences, Critical Race Theory, institutional violence, ethical dilemmas collaborating with communities, and so much more.