This episode features the talk held between Mariana Pestana and Alice dos Reis, the creator of the film Undercurrent, screened during the biennial within the scope of the Empathy Sessions. Undercurrent is a science-fiction about the relationship between a marine biologist and a krill swarm in the deepest spots of the North Atlantic Ocean. As the end of her project approaches, the biologist is faced with ethical questions regarding her relationship to the non-human and the systems that mediate their contact with humans. Undercurrent is supported by the Consulate General of the Kingdom of the Netherlands in Istanbul.