This episode features the talk held between the biennial curator Mariana Pestana and artist and filmmaker Calum Bowden, the creator of the film Dark Origins, screened during the biennial within the scope of the Empathy Sessions. Dark Origins is a VR journey to the edge of knowledge, inviting people to experience the contested origins of life deep inside the Earth. The talk primarily stresses Bowden’s attempt to unravel the scientific mysteries of extremophiles – creatures that thrive without any sunlight in extreme temperatures and pressures while informing us about Bowden’s pioneering works and wide knowledge of the digital field.