Join The Five-Fifths Podcast & BriBooks Podcast as we dive into Franchesca Ramsey’s book, ‘Well That Escalated Quickly’, the first collab with another show!
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1:07 - What’s Five-Fifths Podcast?
1:20 - The Three Fifths Compromise dates back to 1787, a compromise reached among State delegates. It decided how slaves would be counted as part of the population. In 1787, the US was trying to determine how a state's population would affect taxation and legislative representation. The “solution” was to count three out of every five slaves as a person, to give the south more electoral votes than if the slaves had been ignored, but fewer than if the slaves had been counted equally. It was in the interest of slave owners and landowners to three out of every five slaves as a person.
4:00 - “The Five-Fifths Podcast is basically showing that every person on this Earth is five-fifths, they’re all whole. Nobody’s humanity can be quantified.” - Five-Fifths Pod
4:42 - Who is Franchesca Ramsey? In 2011, when “Shit Girls Say” took off on YouTube, Franchesca created her own iteration, “Shit White Girls Say to Black Girls.”
5:50 - How Five-Fifths Pod’s predominately white private school experience relates to Franchesca’s “Shit White Girls Say to Black Girls”
7:08 - What took us from fans of Francesca’s YouTube work to being fans of her writing
7:45 - Five-Fifths Pod: “Seeing her on her own platform, as a dark-skinned woman who looks like me, I felt like she was very relatable.”
10:30 - In the book, Francesca traces her YouTube success trajectory. I really loved that Franchesca didn't’ shy away from the reality that it takes a long time to accumulate traction. She’d made over a hundred videos BEFORE “Shit White Girls Say to Black Girls.” It’s not lost on Franchesca that the quality and caliber of work speaks for itself when the time comes.
13:20 - After “Shit White Girls Say to Black Girls,” Franchesca was offered a book deal. But she didn’t jump on that opportunity, because she was setting herself UP for greatness instead of jumping ON whatever came her way.
15:50 - Discussing the chapter “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner? It’s Lena Dunham.”
20:15 - Discussion of “Call Out” culture versus “Calling In”
20:42 - According to EverydayFeminism.com, the goal of “Calling out” is publically pointing out that someone is being problematic or downright wrong. However, “calling in” aims to get someone to change their problematic behavior.”
21:50 - Five-Fifths Pod on the problems of call-out culture. “The way that someone responds to a callout should determine how we respond to them. Once you learn something is offensive to a group of people, you have to change your language.”
22:40 - Our favorite “Self-Care” rituals and our “Activist Lent” a la Franchesca Ramsey
23:20 - Five-Fifths Pod self-care is being around people with great energy, and going to therapy (shoutout to her therapist, whom she found on www.therapyforblackgirls.com)
24:40 - Five-Fifths Pod’s “Activist Lent” is deep-dive reporting on deaths of black people, the #MeToo Movement, & other acts of violence and discrimination
27:40 - BriBooks’ self-care is mani-pedis at The Nail Boutique in Brooklyn. Shout out to Mola’s and the Nail Boutique!
28:45 - BriBooks’ “Activist Lent” is indulging in luxury YouTubers

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