Jesse Deubel invites David Willms, Associate Vice President of Public Lands for the National Wildlife Federation onto the show. Before joining the National Wildlife Federation, David served as a natural resources policy advisor to Wyoming Governor Matthew H. Mead, and a natural resource attorney in both the public and the private sector. He also teaches a graduate course on the Endangered Species Act at the University of Wyoming, and writes frequently on various wildlife and land management issues. A regular guest on many national hunting podcasts including Meat Eater and Hunt Talk Radio, David is well respected as a national expert on issues relating to public lands, waters and wildlife.

In this discussion David and Jesse cover the variety of threats currently facing public lands. They also discuss a recent ruling regarding grizzly bears that could have an effect on the future of the Endangered Species Act. David shares his thoughts on the potential for passing the Recovering America's Wildlife Act given the current political landscape in Washington D.C. The two talk about a new partnership between the National Wildlife Federation and NBC that resulted in a brand new documentary series called, "The Americas." This is a ten episode documentary series narrated by Tom Hanks that showcases the wonders, secrets and fragilities of the wild places and wild animals in North and South America.   

Most importantly, Jesse and David explain how and why all Americans who care about public lands should be doing everything in their power to advocate for the places they love. It starts by showing up and making yourself heard. One great place to do that is at the New Mexico Wildlife Federation's "Camo at the Capitol" event being held at the Roundhouse, New Mexico's state capitol on March 7th, 2025 from 12:00pm-3:00pm. Please make plans to be in attendance at this event. Your voice matters, but it's only heard if you show up. Until then, enjoy the listen!   

For more info:
NMWF Website
National Wildlife Federation Website