We talk about family and friends, Max's greatest strengths and weaknesses, and what it's like to be constantly inundated with news about the impending collapse of the American Empire.

Max also tells us the awesome story of how his baby came into this world. And we remember our good friend and buddy, Chase LeBaron, who died the week we recorded this (9/4/1997 - 7/16/2022).

Recorded July 23rd, 2022 - Salt Lake City, UT