In this inspiring episode, Frank has a candid conversation with Roy Swan, the inaugural head of the Ford Foundation's Mission Investments Program. With a career spanning finance, banking, investments, and law, Roy provides incredible insights into using capital for positive social and environmental impact. Roy shares his surprising path from Morgan Stanley to joining the Ford Foundation and overseeing the innovative program that utilizes the foundation's full $16 billion endowment for mission-aligned investing. He dives into the critical distinction between program-related investments using grants and mission investments from the endowment aimed at market-rate returns with impact. The episode explores the Ford Foundation's priorities and strategies for creating inclusive capitalism. Roy passionately discusses investing in quality jobs that engage workers as valued assets rather than expenses. He advocates for increasing diversity among fund managers as a financial imperative, given the massive economic cost of a lack of access to capital for women and people of color. Through thoughtful examples and data, Roy makes a compelling case that patriotic capitalism benefiting society is not at odds with financial returns. His vision sees investing in capital to address major social challenges like inequality and climate change as an arbitrage opportunity. The episode is an inspiring call for investors to seek both profit and progress in building a more just, inclusive economy.