Mike Garfield is the Director of the Ecology Center in Ann Arbor, MI. Established in 1970, the Ecology Center works on ending lead poisoning, air quality, climate action and energy equity. It is also the home of the Healthy Stuff Lab.

Mike discusses "greenwashing" and how it relates to the plastics industry. Presently, the oil and petrochemical industries are promoting the idea of "chemical recycling" (aka catalytic pyrolysis of plastic waste or "depolymerization") which means melting plastic and making it into solid, liquid and gaseous fuel products. Twenty states have already changed laws to relax regulations against pyrolysis and gasification, even though such incinerators create huge amounts of toxic pollution and a substantial carbon footprint