This week I’m talking with Mike Wilson, who recently announced that he is stepping down as editor of the Dallas Morning News. Wilson spent nearly five years at the newspaper after a short stint at ESPN’s FiveThirtyEight. Before that, Wilson became a success editor at the Tampa Bay Times, and started out at the Miami Herald – where he and I crossed paths – way back in the day. Over two conversations, we discussed his love of newspapers and journalism, the challenges of leading a newsroom that was shrinking every year, the role of unions, diversity and how local journalism is changing. As Mike explains, regional papers like the Dallas Morning News can no longer remain “newsrooms of record” but are becoming “newsrooms of choice,” where editors and reporters have to make painstaking decisions everyday about publishing stories their readers care most about.