Dr Fanta Aw, Executive Director and CEO, Association of International Educators, US talks to Józefa Fawcett at the MENA-HELF event, about lifelong learning, communities of learning, and the increase of non-formal learning. During the podcast there are many thorny questions addressed, such as whether educators are ready to adapt the way they deliver different learning modalities, how they deliver intercultural and cross border awareness through learning programmes, and the 'elephant in the room' question; are traditional HE business models standing in the way of adaptation for the future and in so doing creating productive tensions.