In a very special episode of Next Fan Up, Jay Soderberg let's "PodVader" take a break and is joined by James to discuss the state of Race in the NFL and America. They have special guest Joy Stephens, a Diversity Equity & Inclusion Consultant and Corporate Culture Consultant for www.newheightsawait.com. They discuss the Race issues impacting the NFL that started with Colin Kaepernick and the issues in America today that impact everyone. At the end of this conversation, we hope that everyone can start Listening with an open mind and start loving one another.

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