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4 JUL. 2025 · Ctesippus describes to Socrates the sort of ridiculous praise his friend Hippothales has been directing at Lysis. It turns out that Hippothales is not in fact praising Lysis.
27 JUN. 2025 · We learn some more about Lysis, the formal subject of this part of the conversation. Lysis is the son of Democrates of the deme Aixone, so he is of an aristocratic family. He seems to have it all - looks, wealth, status, reputation, and a course in wrestling. We should not forget, however, the the most important things we learn are from characters themselves, about themselves, and here we learn quite a bit about Hippothales, Ctesippus, and of course, Socrates as he is in this dialogue.
20 JUN. 2025 · Ctesippus enters the chat. He informs Socrates that Hippothales is so obsessed with Lysis that he is an annoyance to Ctesippus and the others of their age group.
13 JUN. 2025 · Socrates, using his god-given gift to recognize lusters and lusted, quickly ascertains that Hippothales is lusting after a younger boy in the wrestling school. Socrates' profession of ignorance with regard to all other things should be taken with a grain of salt, as should be the notion that a god was required to give Socrates the ability to deduce Hippothales' infatuation with someone.
6 JUN. 2025 · The youths, including Hippothales and Ctesippus, are assmbled outside of a palaestra, where they spend time in words. During this introductory chat we come to appreciate one feature of Socratic dialectic, namely how Plato's Socrates sets up conversations in advance. We should not apply this feature to Socrates in every dialogue, but it is certainly a feature in the later early dialogues, and some middle ones (e.g., Hippias Minor, Hippias Major, Politeia, Phaedrus, Symposium - not in. e.g., Euthyphro, Laches, Phaedo, where Socrates does control the conversation, but does not initiate the discussion or put himself in the way of an anticipated discussion).
30 MAY. 2025 · Socrates says he was walking from Academy straight to Lyceum, but on the way encountered a crowd of youths. Is he about to be mugged under the city wall of Athens?
23 MAY. 2025 · Socrates conceals his dialectic exercise with rhetoric and even eristics in an attempt to make Io, who enjoys listening to sophists (he says "you sophoi"), and consequently nice rhetorical stories such as the magnet analogy, actually consider what his rhapsodic techne is. It does include thousands of Homeric lines as subject matter, but this does not mean he is an expert (has the techne) regarding each subject talked about.
I have not speculated in the podcast, but Plato may have written this dialogue with some of his own students in mind. Plato was considered divine by many people, and Plato's Socrates emphasizes that divinely inspired authors lack intelligence. An interpreter of Plato's dialogues is like the rhapsode, probably even learning the dialogues by heart, which might make such a Platonist feel that he knows more than he really does. This dialogue may well have given such an interpreter pause for thought.
16 MAY. 2025 · What the dialogue is not about.
9 MAY. 2025 · In this final section of the dialogue, Socrates provides Io with two options. Either Io has techne and refuses to divulge his sophia to Socrates, and is therefore doing wrong, or he has no techne but is divinely inspired. Should he choose to be considered unjust or divine?
2 MAY. 2025 · Socratae, beginning his concluding remarks, presents the first of his two options for Io. Accordinng to this first option, Io is doing Socrates wrong by purposely shapeshifting in order to avoid revealing how clever he is with regard to the sophia of Homer.
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