Fred Hayward is one of the pioneers of the modern men's movement. In this episode of “Men Are Talking,” Fred explains how he got kicked off Oprah Winfrey's show when Oprah was a local star in Baltimore. Then host Jack Kammer tells his story of taking Oprah out on a sort-of-date to a men's issues presentation. At the end, Fred and Jack express their wishes for some simple men's issues-related things Oprah could say to make a world of difference on problems she cares deeply and sincerely about.