Today, we're wrapping up our month long focus on subtle acts of exclusion by having a real conversation with Dr. Mary McCall who served as the chair of my dissertation committee. Having retired from the world of acedemia, Dr. McCall now voluntarily leads self-study groups for white people who want to intentionally explore the process of waking up to subtly exclusive behavior, how to become aware of their role in subtle acts of exclusion, and how to interrupt it with the ultimate goal of eradicating it.