One of the the most talked about and parodied costumes any pop star has ever sported is the meat dress worn by Lady Gaga at the 2010 MTV Video Music Awards. Mother Monster wore it to draw attention to the U.S. military ban on lesbian and gay service members. Time Magazine named it the top fashion statement of the year.

Today we’re serving up butcher shop realness, talking to Franc Fernandez, the remarkable man behind the amazing and delicious meat dress.

Listen as we talk about how they made the meat dress, how the dress influenced the government’s lifting of the the anti-gay military ban, and discover where that mouth watering gown eventually wound up.